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		<title>Comment on If you liked it, what else could you want? by Reverend</title>
		<link>http://wholcomb.umwblogs.org/2008/10/24/45/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's amazing to me is how roundly this film has been killed by those who have blogged it.  For what it's worth this film may be one of the most perfect Westerns ever made, and I think that might have more to do with its relevance than its historical inaccuracy.  A kind of landmark of film history, or the history of the form as myth manufacturer, and icon creator.  John Wayne even coins his classic line "Pilgrim" in this film.  "Why is it one of the most perfect Westerns?" you might ask.  Well, because of lines like this:

"This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

The idea of the myth of the West as somehow anterior to history, or external to it is extremely problematic.  Westerns for me are one of the greatest indicators of the beautiful problems at the root of history as a means of making sense of our culture. The history of the West and the idea of the frontier is crucial to US History, but not necessarily because of their basis in fact, though that is part of it. Part of the  power of  Westerns is their misrepresentation of the past, a vision of US culture that shapes a future materially in terms of political decisions. During the 20th century, the idea of American exceptionalism and the notion that the US was immune to the treats of communism and socialism are born of the idea of a kind of geographical determinism that may be linked to one of the most influential historical essays of the last 100 years:Turner's &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Significance_of_the_Frontier_in_American_History" rel="nofollow"&gt;"The Significance of the Frontier in American History"&lt;/a&gt;. Given Turner's discussion of the frontier as the driving force behind US history and its future, how can a film like Liberty Valence be so easily discounted in terms of history? I think the definiton of history may be a bit too narrow. Is history about the factual record? --or is it also about or fantasies about our past and the cultural moment that constructs these fantasies?  A kind of cultural and social history that moves between and amongst the archives, but archives not limited to facts and dates, but narratives and metaphors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s amazing to me is how roundly this film has been killed by those who have blogged it.  For what it&#8217;s worth this film may be one of the most perfect Westerns ever made, and I think that might have more to do with its relevance than its historical inaccuracy.  A kind of landmark of film history, or the history of the form as myth manufacturer, and icon creator.  John Wayne even coins his classic line &#8220;Pilgrim&#8221; in this film.  &#8220;Why is it one of the most perfect Westerns?&#8221; you might ask.  Well, because of lines like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea of the myth of the West as somehow anterior to history, or external to it is extremely problematic.  Westerns for me are one of the greatest indicators of the beautiful problems at the root of history as a means of making sense of our culture. The history of the West and the idea of the frontier is crucial to US History, but not necessarily because of their basis in fact, though that is part of it. Part of the  power of  Westerns is their misrepresentation of the past, a vision of US culture that shapes a future materially in terms of political decisions. During the 20th century, the idea of American exceptionalism and the notion that the US was immune to the treats of communism and socialism are born of the idea of a kind of geographical determinism that may be linked to one of the most influential historical essays of the last 100 years:Turner&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Significance_of_the_Frontier_in_American_History" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Significance of the Frontier in American History&#8221;</a>. Given Turner&#8217;s discussion of the frontier as the driving force behind US history and its future, how can a film like Liberty Valence be so easily discounted in terms of history? I think the definiton of history may be a bit too narrow. Is history about the factual record? &#8211;or is it also about or fantasies about our past and the cultural moment that constructs these fantasies?  A kind of cultural and social history that moves between and amongst the archives, but archives not limited to facts and dates, but narratives and metaphors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If you liked it, what else could you want? by jmcclurken</title>
		<link>http://wholcomb.umwblogs.org/2008/10/24/45/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>jmcclurken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice articulation of that sound-based commentary....  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice articulation of that sound-based commentary&#8230;.  <img src='http://wholcomb.umwblogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Creepy comment by jmcclurken</title>
		<link>http://wholcomb.umwblogs.org/2008/03/04/creepy-comment/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>jmcclurken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flag it as spam....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flag it as spam&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something amusing by Elle</title>
		<link>http://wholcomb.umwblogs.org/2008/02/16/something-amusing/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just be completely sure [aka with several sources to back yourself up] that you are right. But good work and keep up the researching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just be completely sure [aka with several sources to back yourself up] that you are right. But good work and keep up the researching!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Something amusing by jmcclurken</title>
		<link>http://wholcomb.umwblogs.org/2008/02/16/something-amusing/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>jmcclurken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and your group might also want to check out &lt;i&gt;Lies Across America&lt;/i&gt; by Jim Loewen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and your group might also want to check out <i>Lies Across America</i> by Jim Loewen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on why, who, what and how by jmcclurken</title>
		<link>http://wholcomb.umwblogs.org/2008/01/21/why-who-what-and-how/#comment-2</link>
		<dc:creator>jmcclurken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whitney,
Stop by and see me if you're still having trouble connecting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whitney,<br />
Stop by and see me if you&#8217;re still having trouble connecting.</p>
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